Microsoft’s Awful 2010 Smartphone

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Snazzy Labs

6 сарын өмнө

In 2010, Microsoft made a social smartphone for teens and 20 somethings who didn't want a smartphone. It... well, it didn't work out. Let's learn about Microsoft Kin!
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J Allard was the executive at Microsoft that had been CTO of Consumer Products and brought a lot of successes to the market like Windows 95, Xbox, Xbox Live, and Zune. While the former wasn't a success compared to Apple's iPod, it had a lot of great attributes and the hardware/software was solid. The 2007 iPhone was $599 on a two-year contract and required an expensive $30/mo. data plan. Far too expensive for teens. And the other smartphones? Well, they were for nerds! Or, at least business people. What began as a focused, well-thought-out plan to bring a high-end feature phone to market for teens focused on social media and instant messaging spiraled out of control costing Microsoft and Verizon Wireless over $1B in losses. That phone? Microsoft Kin.

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Victor Kreig
Victor Kreig 3 өдрийн өмнө
I had a Kin II, it was awesome and I killed it by forgetting it was in my pocket when I jumped into a pool
WeThePharaoh
WeThePharaoh 17 өдрийн өмнө
That was my first phone and I remember it fondly.
Dave Maze
Dave Maze 20 өдрийн өмнө
Great video!!! Loved this. So funny how much of a fail that phone was
besorgter Burger
besorgter Burger Сарын өмнө
After watching the video about the Zone(s) I thought to myself "With better management this could have been a success that might even have pushed Windows Phone / Mobile". But this thing? Nope! It was a flop from the start.
Cre8tvMG
Cre8tvMG Сарын өмнө
Sounds like Kin was an ideal successor to the Zune! :-)
Make Money Now
Make Money Now Сарын өмнө
Thanks for sharing this!
Cre8tvMG
Cre8tvMG Сарын өмнө
0:38 Balmer is such a weird dude. Must have been hyped out of his mind on coke that night!
Christopher Kaelin
Christopher Kaelin Сарын өмнө
The Kin-Two was a great phone. They released an update that added calculator support, better online browsing, and some messaging fixes including video and image messaging. That was about 6 months to a year after release. Unfortunately, it was too-little-too-late for most people. There were reports of a large stock just sitting in distribution centers of KIN phones that couldn't sell, so Microsoft handed the reins over to Verizon, including the SDK, shutdown KIN Studio and Verizon made a new build that removed KIN Studio support and the need for a "smart phone" plan by nixing features. Then they re-released it as the "KIN ONEm" and "KIN TWOm", and forced the rest of us to update to that build, it sucked... It wasn't long after that, that Microsoft released Windows Phone 7... I Stuck with Microsoft through Mobile 6.5, KIN TWO, Windows Phone 7, Phone 7.8, Phone 8, and Phone 10 (Usually HTC or Lumia series)... But then had to switch to Samsung's Note flagship phones (S7, S8, and now S10+) and installed Microsoft Launcher for Android... I really miss the Windows phones, every last one of them!
clever output
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FrostySumo
FrostySumo 2 сарын өмнө
I loved my Zune when I was in high school mostly because of Zune pass that was ahead of its time.
Xalgucennia
Xalgucennia 2 сарын өмнө
For 2010, 5 MP was considered pretty good. My first android was in I think 2012 and only had a 3.15 MP camera, admittedly it was a budget device, even for the time, and the lens etc affects it, but still, 5 MP was pretty good, my phone up until 2015 was 5MP
Maura
Maura 2 сарын өмнө
I had this phone! I still have it! It was so cute
Maura
Maura 2 сарын өмнө
I love it
Business Guide
Business Guide 2 сарын өмнө
Reliable and humurous, the kind of resource I'm looking for!
Peter Boyd
Peter Boyd 2 сарын өмнө
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Ahror Yusupov 2 сарын өмнө
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95blahblahhaha 2 сарын өмнө
Somewhat upset I just found this channel
CC CC
CC CC 2 сарын өмнө
I had a pantech ease
Silas Gotsch
Silas Gotsch 2 сарын өмнө
i remember wanting to buy the Kin 1 when it came out. Cute little thing
Sungho Lim
Sungho Lim 2 сарын өмнө
Their only problem is that they used Sharp as the product development...
noobmaster69
noobmaster69 3 сарын өмнө
6:42 ExplainingComputers OP
mako kimoto
mako kimoto 3 сарын өмнө
The follow-up device should have been called the “Next of Kin”
Samuel-Wan Kenobi
Samuel-Wan Kenobi 3 сарын өмнө
What if someone used this in 2020
Happy Gilmore
Happy Gilmore 3 сарын өмнө
Can you do a video of what the ipaq pda’s can be used for now or if android or other os can be loaded on it.
Techfluence
Techfluence 4 сарын өмнө
Ha. They showcased this (may have even been a launch) at a few of our gdgt Live events back in the day.
MattDaddyPrime
MattDaddyPrime 4 сарын өмнө
I worked for T-Mobile at the time the Kin came out. The handset being a VZW exclusive felt like dodging a bullet.
Tecnologik
Tecnologik 4 сарын өмнө
I had a Kin growing up. I loved how it looked and I thought Zune was cool. But I could help feeling defensive or embarrassed to own one when a bunch of the other kids in school were getting Android and iPhones.
NeuesTestament
NeuesTestament 4 сарын өмнө
That design is really hideous
Michael Rawls
Michael Rawls 4 сарын өмнө
The zune software was dope on the pc I miss that.
Brandon Hanks
Brandon Hanks 4 сарын өмнө
Who remembers the MDA???
wyterabitt
wyterabitt 4 сарын өмнө
Zune players failed, but was still much better than ipods. It's how it goes sometimes, the better product does not always win.
Bae Dreary
Bae Dreary 4 сарын өмнө
I had one of these in 2011, I bought it to replace my Nokia Twist which was also very square shaped. I liked the Nokia phone WAY more
Joshua AB
Joshua AB 4 сарын өмнө
I didnt know Steve ballmer was over at Microsoft
Bastian Espejo
Bastian Espejo 4 сарын өмнө
You knew something were gonna be a huge success, when Steve balmer said it wouldn’t (iPhone, iPad, iPad mini, MacBook notebook)
Aryaman - Labs
Aryaman - Labs 4 сарын өмнө
Sir how much do you earn from youtube just asking
Benjamin Patrocinio
Benjamin Patrocinio 4 сарын өмнө
Sharp, the people who made kin now make calculators.
grahamlive
grahamlive 4 сарын өмнө
Sharp made calculators way before this. Since at least the 1980s. They also have made many many other products.
Rich Lux
Rich Lux 4 сарын өмнө
Omg zune
Francis Tobolsky
Francis Tobolsky 4 сарын өмнө
Seeing you here in the comments made my day 🥳
rokurua - ロクルア
rokurua - ロクルア 4 сарын өмнө
I had a sidekick 4ga fe years back, but I ouldnt count that, it fucking sucked lol
William Howard
William Howard 5 сарын өмнө
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Sara
Sara 4 сарын өмнө
ok
John Paul Lusk
John Paul Lusk 5 сарын өмнө
that's so 'kin unbelievable
alexmasso96
alexmasso96 5 сарын өмнө
the thing is that most of the features were moved to Windows Phone 7 or 8 where all social feeds were moved in the contacts app and all the IM in the messaging app. Then they fucked it all up with the Windows 10 update.
Itsyahboiii David.
Itsyahboiii David. 5 сарын өмнө
I've gotta say, your videos have really come to a new level of quality! I'm really enjoying them! Keep up the good work man!
ProudiPhoneOwner
ProudiPhoneOwner 5 сарын өмнө
Hey I owned a HTC DROID Incredible before. Back in the early, exciting days of Android
Ryan S
Ryan S 5 сарын өмнө
I remember when I was a teen getting my first (dumb) phone I really wanted one of the Kin 2m phones. I unfortunately couldn't convince my parents to buy it, because they thought I would distract myself with the browser instead of doing homework. For a dumb phone it looks a lot cooler and the keyboard was better than the LG Cosmos' I wound up getting, but I never could convince them to pay for one.
Royal Rec'Or
Royal Rec'Or 5 сарын өмнө
It's technology 💯, nothing fails
_grigsy _
_grigsy _ 5 сарын өмнө
Windows RT Surface !
26muel
26muel 5 сарын өмнө
It read anus when held backwards
Omar FX
Omar FX 5 сарын өмнө
The closest thing to a Zune Phone is the Zurface Duo
Jiusonium
Jiusonium 5 сарын өмнө
I'm always shocked about the incredibly expensive mobile plans in the US. I live in Finland, and we have no roaming charges inside the Finnish border, and I pay less than 20 dollars a month for an unlimited data, texts and phone calls
Nosloveingneko
Nosloveingneko 5 сарын өмнө
I remember the Kin! I was one of those tech obsessed kids in HS and I was super excited for this thing, affordable, good looking, and what I THOUGHT was going to be a sort of smartphone-lite experience. I remember being flabbergasted when they killed it like a month later. Never saw one in person or for sale, and still today I have not. I Still really love the designs though, even today they are fantastic looking little devices.
Brian Martinez
Brian Martinez 5 сарын өмнө
I would buy an updated/upgraded and modern sidekick lol
Scg1997
Scg1997 5 сарын өмнө
Yeah, I got one of these while in middle school. My mom told me and my sister that the Verizon guy said they were popular with teens. I'm not sure if he lied to her, or if she lied to us, but I'm pretty sure it was after the "update" that I got it because I've never seen any of those social features. The FM radio was cool though Edit: Actually finished the video, yeah I definitely had the One M
Caleb Mann
Caleb Mann 5 сарын өмнө
Yah! I had and used the Kin One M phone for a while in high school and college. My friends called it a “Bannana Phone” 😂😂 It was the only phone I could find that could connect to WiFi but DIDN’T need a data plan. I scoured the internet till I found a used one. Loved hearing the history of it! Great video!
Ricky Brunet
Ricky Brunet 5 сарын өмнө
I wanted one! At the time I had an iPhone. But the Kin looked cool. I'm glad I didn't switch my iPhone for this. 😂😂😂
J2 digital
J2 digital 5 сарын өмнө
Emotion and corporate politics can make or break good ideas. Too bad Microsoft has a long record for breaking them.
J2 digital
J2 digital 5 сарын өмнө
I remember this! Too bad Microsoft let its own incompetence get in its way. I loved and still love my Zune! I think that would have been more successful as a phone than windows phone if they took Google's approach and opened it up for devs to make apps. Also too bad about the kin. Good idea to take the guy who is passionate about the project and spearheading the whole thing out and replacing him with the ole business standard. Then release it YEARS late. No wonder it flopped so hard. Just like windows phone did!
Brendon Wolik
Brendon Wolik 5 сарын өмнө
I think your background could use more color. I think a sit-stand desk to raise the monitors would help, but I'm not sure what to do about the sign above them.
Sean W.
Sean W. 5 сарын өмнө
The Kin 2M was my first phone, I miss the simpler and more unique smartphone days :((
L H
L H 5 сарын өмнө
I had this phone in 2012-2013 as my second phone in 7th through 8th grade. I loved it but 9th grade I upgraded to a google nexus
Yet Another Person
Yet Another Person 5 сарын өмнө
Can you do a flashback to the Palm Centro? I think my first smartphone deserves a look.
Tong Zou
Tong Zou 5 сарын өмнө
Windows Phone didnt fail nearly as bad as the Kin. the Kin was literally dead within 2 months of release. Windows Phone held strong until 2018. Not too bad.
Tong Zou
Tong Zou 5 сарын өмнө
I bet most people dont know that the Tmobile Sidekick basically evolved into this failed Microsoft messenger phone
toohightocomply
toohightocomply 5 сарын өмнө
Zune Phone FTW
Aldo Frias
Aldo Frias 5 сарын өмнө
I remember wanting the kin phone
Luca Mihail Murafa
Luca Mihail Murafa 5 сарын өмнө
Hm.
supersmex
supersmex 5 сарын өмнө
I still have my zune .
Samuel Campos
Samuel Campos 5 сарын өмнө
I love you, I love your videos, great image quality and editing... but PLEASE iron your T-shirts!
Jesus Robles
Jesus Robles 5 сарын өмнө
I thought it fails because of quality, me and a few my friends had it. The screen on all of them just died. It was the kin 2
VariTimo
VariTimo 5 сарын өмнө
The Palm Pre is such a nice looking phone. And it felt great in the hand. But I only held it as a kid.
Darren Takoyaki
Darren Takoyaki 5 сарын өмнө
I'll do you one better!! WHY IS KIN?
Paul Gomez
Paul Gomez 5 сарын өмнө
I had one. It was my first phone. Absolute piece of junk.
Brad B
Brad B 5 сарын өмнө
When I hear the word ALLEGEDLY Uttered, anywhere, I STOP RIGHT THERE. I hate New-Speak Hugely.
Rob Schoeny
Rob Schoeny 5 сарын өмнө
The Zune HD and Zune subscription was ahead of its time. Great analysis.
nimoy007
nimoy007 5 сарын өмнө
I learned you stuck to your strengths and kept on making quality content. You're well spoken, and your videos are well produced. Keep it up!
Lzy Soul
Lzy Soul 5 сарын өмнө
You know it failed marketing when you haven’t even heard the name....
Juan Manuel Scagni
Juan Manuel Scagni 5 сарын өмнө
Great video! So much history!
Not Important
Not Important 5 сарын өмнө
how dare you, the kin was my favorite feature phone I have ever owned
Brendan Connor
Brendan Connor 5 сарын өмнө
Great video. I've always been curious about phone/platform but being a non-VzW user I never had the chance to get one and dive in. Also the corporate politics around this...chefs kiss.
Daniel Wilhite
Daniel Wilhite 5 сарын өмнө
Back in the day, I had the first iteration of the Zune. It has been so long, I don't remember the specifics, but at some point very early on (within a month of purchasing), it simply did. not. work. It must have been in the year.... ~2006??? It was terrible. The first ipod was out by then, but as a 'non-techy' person, I just didn't 'get' the Apple vs. PC thing. Meaning, I wasn't in tune with the fact that Apple products, just simply, worked. (for the most part). Long story short, my experience with Zune was AWFUL.
Daniel Wilhite
Daniel Wilhite 5 сарын өмнө
I should also mention that I didn't do much to reach out to tech support to fix the issue. I just got pissed and threw the damn thing in the trash. That one's on me, LOL.
werethless12
werethless12 5 сарын өмнө
Title is kinda misleading. It was never a Zune phone. It was a Kin that could use the Zune software. Clickbait on this site should be a criminal offense.
reloaded17
reloaded17 5 сарын өмнө
Microsoft was always ahead and f it’s time, to a fault, unfortunately. Such a shame because these features are great. The GUI is beautiful and unique. Same goes for windows phone. Both ahead of its time but late to the program.
Slavomir G
Slavomir G 5 сарын өмнө
Did someone do a YIKES count?
Burton Yan
Burton Yan 5 сарын өмнө
With current discussions around the use of social media, imagine if the Kin was successful and everyone was stuck to their screen even more than they are now, flicking on whatever social media content in front of them.
Raindogg TV
Raindogg TV 5 сарын өмнө
iCloud used to be called .Mac and did the same thing as iCloud, just not as good.
Lachlan Tompsett
Lachlan Tompsett 5 сарын өмнө
My favourite phone to date was my Nokia Lumia 800, which I kept for two years but I replaced because Microsoft gave me a single year of updates before making it obsolete for Windows Phone 8 with a half-baked 7.8 update that basically broke the phone. If they hadn’t screwed their user base so badly at every turn Microsoft *might* have actually done well.
Shiki Byakko
Shiki Byakko 5 сарын өмнө
The thumbnail is 200% clickbait...
xXStar Brite02Xx
xXStar Brite02Xx 5 сарын өмнө
I rerember 10 year old me wanted one just cause of how cute it was, my dad got me an LG octane 2 as my first phone though o.o
Clay McGranahan
Clay McGranahan 5 сарын өмнө
*happy dankpods noise*
flarepie24
flarepie24 5 сарын өмнө
oh wow, i had one but i never realized they failed so hard lol
1337 4llison
1337 4llison 5 сарын өмнө
it was before spotify but Rhapsody was huge
假作真時真亦假
假作真時真亦假 5 сарын өмнө
What happened to Billy, George? I dragged him into the spot.
Evelyn Schlick
Evelyn Schlick 5 сарын өмнө
I still want one of these to collect but one of the only ones I saw recently was selling for $200+ and I just can’t bring myself to spend that much on what is essentially a paperweight
Julian Cumps
Julian Cumps 5 сарын өмнө
Hey Quinn? should I buy the ARM MacBook Air when it comes out or wait for the MacBook Pro? (for a new school laptop)
Michael Haney
Michael Haney 5 сарын өмнө
So, because of some guy's bruised ego, a phone that could have one-upped the iPhone crashed and burned.
Runnable19
Runnable19 5 сарын өмнө
Your videos are way to long. Bye bye.
hightecharry
hightecharry 5 сарын өмнө
Hey snazzy just wanted to say that I adore your content and your unique way of entertaining the hell out of me :') keep up the good work, you are imo the most underated tech content creator and I wish you the best in life and in your work life
hightecharry
hightecharry 5 сарын өмнө
@Snazzy Labs
Mikayel Hovhannés
Mikayel Hovhannés 5 сарын өмнө
9:04 If Microsoft scaled this down and tweaked a bit, they would have a very competitive alternative to WearOS and Tizen (since WearOS is utter crap and Tizen has some weaknesses like Bixby and choice of watches) although I don't think it will be on Watch OS level at least at launch
Shouvik Basu
Shouvik Basu 5 сарын өмнө
Very well prepared video,
Anthony Marsala
Anthony Marsala 5 сарын өмнө
I remember it being ridiculous when it launched. Why the 10-year wait for a review/history? I've got a 1980s HP15C calculator if you're looking for other hardware to review. ;-)
Nick 2
Nick 2 5 сарын өмнө
Does anyone know what monitors those are behind him?
James Rowe
James Rowe 5 сарын өмнө
"Apple had nailed a lot of the features they made fun of:" - Touchscreen controls: Maybe. - Virtual Keyboard: just NO. Just because people begrudgingly accept garbage autocorrect to this day because, surprise surprise, what the customer wants does NOT control the market and it's just cheaper for companies to have shit software instead of GOOD hardware, does NOT mean it was a good idea. - Desktop class Web Browser: _looks at the current mobile web_ LOL, you're JOKING right? Careful SnazzyLabs, your Apple fanboyism is showing,
Snazzy Labs
Snazzy Labs 5 сарын өмнө
If you genuinely believe a hardware keyboard is the best option in 2020, you’re delusional.
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