Unsafe Computer Catches Fire: NZXT H1 Case & BLD Serious Problems

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We're demonstrating how NZXT's H1 case (or BLD prebuilt) can catch fire, diagnosing the electrical problem, and discussing whether it remains unsafe even with the new screws.
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NZXT RESPONDS: mndown.info/fast/video/v6Omiaygp6yOq30
Watch part 2: mndown.info/fast/video/y5-3pZeKs4Kwoqs
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In this content, we'll feature Steve trying to initially trigger the fire problem described by NZXT in its H1 case, followed by Patrick Stone diagnosing the issue, then Patrick Lathan mapping the PCIe slot electrical wiring. In short, we believe that NZXT is shorting 12V to ground, which can turn the trace at fault into a tiny heating element that ignites a fire. If you have not yet replaced the screws in the riser, please do it immediately -- but we're also concerned that the riser itself remains problematic since we believe there may be an exposed trace in the PCB.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 | "Oh Sh..."
02:02 | Recapping the Fire Issue
04:15 | Trying to Recreate the Issue Without the Case
06:27 | Patrick Explains the NZXT Current Loop Causing Fires
10:59 | NZXT Shorting 12V to Ground (PCIe Cable is the Problem)
15:00 | Motherboard Tray & Round 2 of Fire Testing
16:15 | Short-Circuit & Over-Current Protections Won't Help
17:13 | Building in the NZXT H1 Case
19:50 | Eureka - We Have Found It
22:46 | FIRE!
24:36 | You Should Replace This Cable
27:38 | 240 Degrees Celsius
27:50 | High Severity, Low Frequency
29:26 | Post-Mortem & Explanation
32:20 | Additional Concerns for NZXT H1 Riser
33:52 | Final Thoughts

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NZXT RESPONDS: mndown.info/fast/video/v6Omiaygp6yOq30 Part 2 is up: mndown.info/fast/video/y5-3pZeKs4Kwoqs If you have one of these computers or cases, even if you have not experienced fire, please replace both screws immediately with something non-conductive. We would also personally advise replacing the PCIe riser in its entirety and getting rid of the included one in a way that it can't accidentally be used with a metal screw in the future. Please consider buying one of GN's Wireframe Mouse Mats to support us: IN STOCK & SHIPPING NOW! store.gamersnexus.net/products/gn-wireframe-mouse-mat - this is a high-quality desk-size mousing surface with custom blue rubber underside, blue stitched borders, and a high-quality print with PC component design. This is the best way to support our expensive, in-depth research pieces like this one.
Dallas Adoraslash
Dallas Adoraslash 18 өдрийн өмнө
Steve the fire in the other guy's video didn't put itself out. He unplugged the computer quickly and that's what put it out.
Jonny- B
Jonny- B 29 өдрийн өмнө
@Player Slot Available You are be good if that picture is what yours looks like. The plastic screws can't conduct electricity so the electrical short as shown isn't possible. Well, as long as the plastic screws are used. Who knows in 10 years if someone doesn't replace those with steel screws. Or whatever.
Astronomy Astrology?
Astronomy Astrology? Сарын өмнө
@XVBD lol with 12v? That's ELV man. I have never in my life witnessed anyone do that. You'd have to be absolutely dripping in sweat(like Salty sweat not plain water) to even feel the slightest tingle off 12vdc.
Darren Falconer
Darren Falconer Сарын өмнө
@AtotehZ why would titanium improve it, that's metal, metal is conductive. You do understand the issue right??
Raf
Raf Сарын өмнө
@glenn doiron oo
SevenDeMagnus
SevenDeMagnus 9 өдрийн өмнө
Interesting
PamdaDev
PamdaDev 10 өдрийн өмнө
1:22 is it ok to use cotton swab to spread thermal paste? wont that leave fibers behind?
Martin Drkoš
Martin Drkoš 12 өдрийн өмнө
Looks like it would be bad for thermals.
Patrick Kilgore
Patrick Kilgore 14 өдрийн өмнө
As a fellow Patrick, I am proud that the Patrick Industrial Complex is working nominally. Continue on.
Kepler
Kepler 16 өдрийн өмнө
4:35 and the entirety of the next 10 seconds were great
Peter Waechter
Peter Waechter 17 өдрийн өмнө
I think they should recall all of those pcie risers and destroy them so they can never be reused. That is a definite accident waiting to happen.
Matt Newman
Matt Newman 17 өдрийн өмнө
"you tell me camera guy" sounded like "wouldn't you like to know weather boy"
Junmin Hwang
Junmin Hwang 17 өдрийн өмнө
This prob is much serious than I thought. -h1 user-
Soultaker93
Soultaker93 17 өдрийн өмнө
Press "F" to pay respect for that motherboard being sacrificed for the sake of greater good.
Ishav Sethi
Ishav Sethi 18 өдрийн өмнө
with this much effort they can start a fire in any case
Gianpaolo Pazzini
Gianpaolo Pazzini 18 өдрийн өмнө
I’ll never buy NZXT case
Moto Nugget
Moto Nugget 22 өдрийн өмнө
I can smell this video X_X
Danny m
Danny m 22 өдрийн өмнө
The burly verdict anecdotally share because alphabet lilly empty absent a hospitable feature. prickly, hungry particle
Ant T
Ant T 22 өдрийн өмнө
Oh the smell would have been hideous
Rannon
Rannon 24 өдрийн өмнө
It's nice to see more of the people making Gamers Nexus awesome! :D "House fires have actual real world consequences", says who? Austin? I appreciate that you guys not only showed that you tried to make it happen (the part in the beginning) but actually mentions it afterwards in the vid when you're not sure if it's been edited into the clip yet (28:50)!
Gregory Martin
Gregory Martin 24 өдрийн өмнө
Please review the XPG Gammix S70
Maples01
Maples01 24 өдрийн өмнө
Lets see, the riser is grounding out, yet their answer is to use a plastic screw, to secure the metal riser, to the metal case, that has a metal cased power source attached, yep, that'll stop the loop, like replacing the bolt in the ground clamp on your car with a plastic one.
Robert Lucas
Robert Lucas 25 өдрийн өмнө
Look at that PCB at 26:26. That's not a fire yet; the real fire doesn't start until 26:50. It looks like the PCB 12V plane is glowing red-hot like a lightbulb. You need to be well over 500 degrees C to get it to glow that bright. Which makes sense after a little napkin math. Ohm's Law says a Current in a circuit will equal the Voltage divided by Resistance, or I=V/R. I heard someone call out 'point-three' before the fire, so I'll use that for resistance. 12V/0.3Ohms = 40 Amps. 40 Amps is A LOT of current. Most household circuit breakers will trip at 15. The reason for this is that Current makes things REALLY hot. The Power dissipated in a circuit equals Current SQUARED times Resistance. So 40 Amps Squared times 0.3 Ohms is 480 Watts of power, all going right through that PCB with no heatsink and no thermal throttling. No wonder that shit lit up.
NTICompass Computers
NTICompass Computers 25 өдрийн өмнө
Can't wait for 2021 disappointment build! If we're starting out with cases that catch fire, I wonder what else we'll see happen!
Claq Yagami
Claq Yagami 26 өдрийн өмнө
21:00 EPIPHANY, EUREKA!!
Anthony Martin
Anthony Martin 26 өдрийн өмнө
putting a plastic screw isn't a fix, its still a fault that should be properly fixed so there isn't traces exposed to the screw holes.
Ace Wizhyde
Ace Wizhyde 26 өдрийн өмнө
its all good as long as you have your cable tweezers and your anti-static wristband it wont catch fire. I bought mine from *looks at logo* "rivvstrong?" hmmm must be a typo...
DarthZackTheFirst
DarthZackTheFirst 26 өдрийн өмнө
must be the most famous pc case company. cant buy that for money
MundMoriginal
MundMoriginal 26 өдрийн өмнө
What the hell is that thing? An alien made gpu slot? Why doesn't the gpu go into the motherboard? I've never been so confused, I've build my own pcs since 2009... a gpu slot in a wall or other floor of the case, or what is that?
1SLUGGO1
1SLUGGO1 27 өдрийн өмнө
Patrick Patrick Patrick Patrick
PAUL c
PAUL c 27 өдрийн өмнө
Please check the cable if it writes on it "designed and build by Samsung" 😂😂😂😂
Mr. Collins
Mr. Collins 27 өдрийн өмнө
sounds like NZXT didnt think this one out.
lupusprobitas
lupusprobitas 27 өдрийн өмнө
Using a heat camera might have helped pinpoint where the fire started by seeing the hottest spot beforehand... at the very least, it would have looked neat :-)
Mariano Martino
Mariano Martino 27 өдрийн өмнө
pen and paper?! I thought it was mandatory to do an over-the-top 3D simulation to explain things nowadays. Great job!
dahaproject3
dahaproject3 28 өдрийн өмнө
23:27 FIRE!!!!!!
dahaproject3
dahaproject3 28 өдрийн өмнө
0:07 CHIDORIIIII
N0Pic
N0Pic 28 өдрийн өмнө
Even me as an hobby PCB designer knows that there should be at least 1mm of free space around screwholes. Ofc on top and bottom of the pcb apropiat groundplanes or plating around the screwholes. I imagine someone just didnt check the pcb design right can happen but shouldnt.
The Rat Chad
The Rat Chad 28 өдрийн өмнө
OHMYGAWHHH STEFAN ETIENNE WAS RIGHT BWAHAHAHA
Eric Hanchar
Eric Hanchar 28 өдрийн өмнө
That short circuit that has enough resistance to keep the circuit energized is simply called a high resistance short and as you just demonstrated are dangerous as hell.
Space Ghost
Space Ghost 28 өдрийн өмнө
i was getting shocks off my NZXT...shorted out my thumb drive SD card adapter....thought it was just me....
iiXeno
iiXeno 28 өдрийн өмнө
The H510 has one fan slot on the top, does this surprise you?
Kim Gill
Kim Gill 28 өдрийн өмнө
Where’s @ElectroBOOM at?
Michael Abel
Michael Abel 28 өдрийн өмнө
Getting some Samsung vibes here
B Bol
B Bol 28 өдрийн өмнө
The NZXT note 7! Sorry, Samsung will never live that down!
B Bol
B Bol 28 өдрийн өмнө
Hey NZXT, your fired!
Dave
Dave 28 өдрийн өмнө
The animation at 21:10 of the screw going in and the threads rotating to contact the 12v trace is not correct. The threads will make contact at the same depth no matter how the screw is turned. The animation shows it operating like a drill bit Imagine the pcb has female threads. The screw going into it is going to follow those. What may be happening is that the screw can move side to side enough to contact the trace, or when screwed in very tight, it's squishing the 12v trace into the ground path. Beyond the defect pcie riser, I'd consider this a bigger failure of the power supply overcurrent protection. This is exactly why that feature exists. The traces are very small and overheat with very little current but the overcurrent should be sensitive enough to detect on the ground plane.
Arthur Mann
Arthur Mann 28 өдрийн өмнө
Even one fire is one TOO MANY! The risers should be recalled...PERIOD!
Ray Finnegan
Ray Finnegan 28 өдрийн өмнө
In theory if the top screw were to bite into a PCI data lane and the bottom into a 12v plane, you could fry both the cpu and the gpu aswell as burning down your home
Sinn0100
Sinn0100 28 өдрийн өмнө
So...I'm looking for a good NZXT case with a new riser...;)
mell_man79
mell_man79 28 өдрийн өмнө
No more free review cases for you Steve.
Jet Fusion
Jet Fusion 28 өдрийн өмнө
Holy shit NZXT needs to cow bell this hard to make sure nobody gets hurt
College Lifestyle
College Lifestyle 28 өдрийн өмнө
In December I received an email stating there was an issue and to provide an address so they can ship replacement screws, to this day I have still never received these, this makes me very concerned that I have been using this PC everyday since...
Hellskellet
Hellskellet 28 өдрийн өмнө
When moving a screw ends up looking like an electro boom video, something is wrong
hang man
hang man 28 өдрийн өмнө
if you look at all the predrilled holes, the hole they used for mounting is larger then the rest. I assume somewhere in they blue printing speciation's of the case a engineer used the wrong size hole and screws when designing the case and I believe that is where you get your short from the screws cutting into the pcb. Something to look into when the new case comes. i would also look and ask did someone drill to oversize the hole they use for mounting the pcb to the case to fit a larges screw who know just putting it out there
R3ns Shackleford
R3ns Shackleford 28 өдрийн өмнө
Some time ago my NZXT Hue+ control box also caught fire, also my user account got banned from their forum for complaining.
ZYGMUNT_2137
ZYGMUNT_2137 28 өдрийн өмнө
kto od zmaslo xd
Antoine Viallon
Antoine Viallon 29 өдрийн өмнө
Very high quality video, thank you!
FARAON FACTORY
FARAON FACTORY 29 өдрийн өмнө
Well i guess we all know what's going to be on this year's dissapointment build...
Jason Spradlin
Jason Spradlin 29 өдрийн өмнө
Answering: "Is Fire Hot?" lol I love it.
Dahoon
Dahoon 29 өдрийн өмнө
I have warned about NZXT multiple times on MNdown and the GN site but it is good to see GN is starting to have caught on. NZTX is known to sell faulty and dangerous products. Their normal way of doing business is how they did with the CAM software (to this day still not working as advertised and the forum they shut down after massive complaints is still down). I like GN but as long as any NZXT product review isn't started with a HUGE caveat I can't take anything said as neutral reporting. If 90% of products are crap or moneygraps then a test of the 10% without a warning is clearly very biased journalism.
Tanish Singh
Tanish Singh 29 өдрийн өмнө
Imagine, you are gaming, then your mom calls you, you leave the pc while the game is on, you come back and your desk is on fire
3dkiller
3dkiller 29 өдрийн өмнө
NZXT garbage quality check.
Chouci Vang
Chouci Vang 29 өдрийн өмнө
This was kinda old news since December, right? Optimum Tech mentioned it in his last video of the NZXT H1.
Siegbert schnösel
Siegbert schnösel 29 өдрийн өмнө
The Verge PC build instructor has proven you all wrong. Never forget to insulate your PSU:)
Sheep Dog
Sheep Dog 29 өдрийн өмнө
Sounds like the pcb board trace and the diameter of the screw is the issue. If the pcb hole diameter was larger than the screw there would be no contact. NZXT was using a counter sunk screw anyways so why not have a larger hole in the PCB.
P Wood
P Wood 29 өдрийн өмнө
your analysis is silly, and overcomplicated. The real problem is not that silly screw, and that "explanation" about the "loop" is nowhere near accurate. The real problem is the PCB design. No way should a +12 trace be close enough to that hole to contact that screw. There was no reason for any trace to be within 1/2" of that hole. Three videos and I covered it in seconds. That oversized screw only brought the real problem to the fore....
Flick.
Flick. 29 өдрийн өмнө
I'm watching this with a H1 : /
Irval Firestar
Irval Firestar 29 өдрийн өмнө
Kind of an iffy design to not have any separation between the trace and screw hole, in such a way that the ridges on the screw would cause a short to occur if arranges in the right way. Also I would be checking if they used the same riser cable/board in other cases aside from in this specific model as well. Check the board and revision no and see if any matches.
Beloit911
Beloit911 29 өдрийн өмнө
Anyone else get a lockpicking lawyer vibe from the pin testing section of the video?
Heiko van der Laar
Heiko van der Laar 29 өдрийн өмнө
Your animation betrays that you don't understand how screws move.
zyxwvutsrqponmlkh
zyxwvutsrqponmlkh 29 өдрийн өмнө
Now I want to know what was on his beanie that you had to hide.
anish andrew
anish andrew 29 өдрийн өмнө
Instead of going with low end graphics card, you can try rtx 3090 for better fireworks.
Allen Sanders
Allen Sanders 29 өдрийн өмнө
keep up the good work. 😉
Robert Elliott
Robert Elliott 29 өдрийн өмнө
I want to like NZXT but have had so many problems... Calling their customer support a "nightmare" would be a compliment.
Steven Tottenhoff
Steven Tottenhoff 29 өдрийн өмнө
I just had a great idea for you. Your large GN acrylic cubes are really cool. Can you make them hollow to be used as a liquid cooling reservoir?
Ja Maar001
Ja Maar001 29 өдрийн өмнө
Really.. then if this happens, you are SCREWED.. xD
Mr Anonymous
Mr Anonymous 29 өдрийн өмнө
what did you use to put out the fire?
Snarf
Snarf Сарын өмнө
Do you know which Patrick has the nicest business card? 👀
Stif_Meister Outdoors
Stif_Meister Outdoors Сарын өмнө
Ok, but how many tech Jesus-es are working at GamersNexus? Is the hairdo a requirement for employment? 😎
Lorenz
Lorenz Сарын өмнө
04:38 ahhhhhhh
Zig S
Zig S Сарын өмнө
Patrick explaining power loop reminded me of Bob Ross. We have a nice little current loop xD
Joe MEASDAY
Joe MEASDAY Сарын өмнө
Witch Patrick is the real Patrick
AgentQ
AgentQ Сарын өмнө
NZXT is done...
AcheLone
AcheLone Сарын өмнө
hmm what if we swap the riser card to another brand like cooler master? will it be ok?
Chico Veinte Minutos
Chico Veinte Minutos Сарын өмнө
For this most of PBC design programs use 5mm margins around screw holes. The question is: How many other NZXT models use that riser with same part???
tokiohotelfreack
tokiohotelfreack Сарын өмнө
GO buy A co 2 Fire extinguisher
SirLoinOfsteak85
SirLoinOfsteak85 Сарын өмнө
Came here for the Patricks. Was not disappointed.
Ahmed Anssaien
Ahmed Anssaien Сарын өмнө
How can anyone "Screw with confidence" after watching this? 😱😅
Ahmed Anssaien
Ahmed Anssaien Сарын өмнө
You guys should make your own version of "Being John Malkovich", and name it, "Being Patrick." 😂😃
leif52pickup
leif52pickup Сарын өмнө
Maybe I'm just old, but from what I've seen PCBs usually have a larger-than-a-screw-head safe zone around screw holes.
DarkestDot
DarkestDot 21 өдрийн өмнө
Nah, someone royally fucked this up, best practice is to make sure the screw is grounded across all layers on the pcb like it's a via.
IamNintendocore
IamNintendocore Сарын өмнө
That's expected when you interduce a Fire to a Computer.
Schie 'The Shy Girl'
Schie 'The Shy Girl' Сарын өмнө
I'm calling it now, by 2025, RGB will be out and somehow 'controlled fire' will be a feature.
acts238isthetruth
acts238isthetruth Сарын өмнө
What actually caused it to catch fire 4:45 😂
Justin Pliskowski
Justin Pliskowski Сарын өмнө
This screw happened.
Roach DoggJR
Roach DoggJR Сарын өмнө
Steve... where the hell would we be without you?
Imnotgoing Sideways
Imnotgoing Sideways Сарын өмнө
I do PCBA design semi-professionally. The mere idea that someone would have left a power trace so close to a mechanical edge is probably the most amateur mistake anyone would do. My guess is that one of the inner layers of that board fab is a plane on the 12v rail with ZERO edge clearance. The "engineer" who laid out this board was probably using MS Paint, at best. All of the layout tools I'm aware of (including open source FREE) have design rulesets which can flag or even limit possible errors and safety issues. Even if the rules are disabled (not advised) drawing a screw hole has some elementary constants. Like, NOT putting power traces anywhere near an external contact surface unless it's part of that circuit. Using the wisdom I learned at 4 years old by trying out a pair of wire cutters on a lamp cord... while it was plugged in... Put stuff in between 2 metal things with electricity so they don't touch. Personally (space permitting) when I include a screw hole in a layout, I size and locate traces and planes outside the diameter of a domed screw head. Regardless of layer. That way if some goof decides to ream the hole out a bit for slightly bigger screws, it'll help avoid a flaming disaster.
yiri plas
yiri plas Сарын өмнө
second patrick looks like steve if he had less muscle
SOU6900
SOU6900 Сарын өмнө
"FIRE IN THE HOLE!"
Cooljosh3k
Cooljosh3k Сарын өмнө
“I’m holding the handle, so it’s fine.” At 12VDC there is nothing that could happen.
Richard Cavicchi Jr
Richard Cavicchi Jr Сарын өмнө
A rare occurrence doesn't mean a small percentage of units have this problem. Every unit has this problem. It's just a small percentage had the screw in the right position to trigger. That's not okay. Or safe. A small amount of fan or pump vibration over time could cause a tiny shift in the screw at any given point.
Ace Moniodis
Ace Moniodis Сарын өмнө
When I saw "fire", I assumed it would just be some smoke and a spark or two. NOT ACTUAL FIRE. Damn NZXT.
MDKVideo
MDKVideo Сарын өмнө
10:59 Damn, Steve lost ALL his sponsors! He's famished!
BakaDeru
BakaDeru Сарын өмнө
Oh I bet that smells horrible
plasia
plasia Сарын өмнө
go go team patrick
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